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Religious affiliation: Another way that the South is different

February 2, 2013

One of the numerous ways in which the South is different from the rest of the United States is regarding religious affiliation. Indeed, a cursory examination of a map of religious groups in the United States makes it clear that Southerners enjoy an easily identifiable culture of their own. In fact, one can see that there are several unique religious regions in the US: the Protestant South, the Catholic Northeast, the non-religious Northwest, Mormon Utah, the Lutheran northern Plains, the Catholic Southwest and the rapidly growing Latin American Catholic population of Florida and Texas, which is exploding due to the US demographic/immigration policy of replacing native Western populations with Third World immigrants.

Religion map of the United States

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  • Virginian Secessionist

    This is one area in which I am a cultural “deviant” as it were. I am a Lutheran. :)

    • Jim

      So am I. Lutheranism is a mainstream Protestant denomination. It’s the Calvanist-Puritanism of the North that is deviant. Both here and in the European motherlands. That’s why they had to make a run for it to New England. That’s the real difference between North and South. The South practices mainline, European protestantism and the North is dispensationalist Puritan. It also shuns the Western/European tradition. Hence their mania for Social reform and engineering at all costs. Also, the South is excoriated for many things that were impossed on it by the North. For example, the imfamous “Televangelists” are not a part of true, Southern piety. They’re a creation of the Iowa born, Yankee, dispensationalist preacher William “Billy” Sunday.

      • the29thtn

        As a Calvinist Presbyterian, which was once one of the dominant religions in the South, particularly in areas settled by Ulster Scots, I would like to point out that Calvinism does not equate with Cromwellian Yankee Puritanism.

        • Jim

          Ok, Thanks. I tend to mix up Puritan, Calvinist and Jacobism. I also confuse the Jacobins of the French Revolution with the Scotish Jacobites. Which are not the same thing. I apologise for my mistake and hope I did not give offense.

          • the29thtn

            No, it’s a common mistake, particularly since the Yankee Puritans claimed to be Calvinist. Traditionally both claim Calvin, but have different beliefs on certain major points. I usually explain it that traditionally speaking, going back to the 1600s, the faction of Calvinists who became Yankee Puritans were a radical offshoot which small in number compared to most Calvinists.

            My own personal theory is that they were formed by nominal Calvinists who were influenced by a radical end of the world cult that gained a strong following in England in the 17th century. I think it’s where their preparing the way for Heaven on earth mentality came from

            Also, it may be of interest that the Presbyterians were the first major denomination to split along roughly North South lines. The Cumberland Presbyterian` faction is one of the larger Southern groups still in existence. It was founded in Tennessee in 1810.

            It’s not been helped by the loss of Southern Presbyterians to other denominations, first Methodists then Baptists, but the Northern Presbyterian church, PCUSA, sadly dominates in numbers these days. There are still a lot of dissident Southern Presbyterian churches though.

            • Jim

              Thanks. This gives me points for further studies into Late Medieval and Renaissance History, especially the Reformation.

            • the29thtn

              If you are interested in such things, the radical movement I referred to was known alternatively as “The Fifth Monarchy” or “The Fifth Kingdom”

            • Jim

              I have a book on Renaissance Histroy. I just read the chapter on The Fith Monarchy. It ties in with the ECW. They were right in there with Cromwell and the Puritans. Now I can see for sure where the Yankee gets his Millenialist mania for social engineering.

            • KYSouthron

              I see a similarity in these “dissident Southern Presbyterian churches” and Independent Baptist Churches, one of which I am a member of. Given, there is a great difference in Ind. Baptists, but we believe in church succession(landmarkism), election and predestination(Calvinism), which is a Biblical doctrine preceding Calvin and evidence of the sovereignty of God, eternal security of the believer, baptism(immersion),closed communion and church discipline.These are some of the tenets we believe are scriptural. Baptists are not protestants because we were in existence before Catholics and did not come out of the Catholic Church.

          • Virginian Secessionist

            Indeed, Jacobins and Jacobites are quite polar opposites. As a subscriber to the Jacobite political theory, I can personally attest that we are the exact opposite of the Jacobins, and stand against their many endarkened principles. In fact, many ideals of Jacobitism are similar to Southron ideals: love of tradition, belief in the inherent inequality of man, support for the rule of law.

            • Jim

              Jacobins are essentially French “Yankees.” The French Revolution and Licoln’s Revolution were the first wars over Communism. Nearly All the radical philosophies, including Puritanism, stem from the Enlightenment. Free thinking and intellectualism aren’t necessarily bad things. But in these cases, they became warped and perverted into evil and malignent forms.

  • Dixiegirl

    Thank you for the post. It is rare to see the acknowledgement that protestants still have an area in the country their ancestors founded. When it’s discussed, people really get hot under the collar, sometimes. But this is a FACT of our ethnic reality and identity. There is nothing wrong with it. It doesn’t mean you think you’re better than people or something! It’s a reality that should be dealt with. People LIKE having areas of their own influence (obviously). And that should be ok.

  • http://bloodandsoil.com Revolt

    Calvinism equates with Yankee puritanism in that it’s ancestors had no issue burning people at the stake for not agreeing with them.

    • the29thtn

      … I’m not sure where you are going with that one, because if we are going to talk about the past, burning people at the stake is hardly a Calvinist monopoly. Speaking of history, burning at the stake was much rarer in America than in Europe. And the vast majority of those European trials were not carried out by Calvinists. The Salem trials, for example, are so noted because such things rarely happened in America, even in the North, though at least an occasional witch trial was held in pretty much every colony in both the North and South. However, they were even rarer in the South than North among all major Christian groups, including Calvinists.

  • http://bloodandsoil.com Revolt

    Also….it’s easy to see the problem the south NOW has with it’s religion. Too many Baptist dispensationalist.

    • Jim

      Dispensationalism being a product of the Puritan North and not part of authentic, Southern piety. Individuals of Pat Robertson’s stripe, couldn’t have existed in the Antibellum South. Credit for these types, goes to the Iowa born, Northern preacher and Dispensationalist, William, “Billy” Sunday. A Puritanical, Yankee rabble rouser, if there ever was one.

      • Jim

        As an aside, Jim and Tammy Baaker were often lambasted by the Yankee establishment for their “Southern” Religion.

        Jim Baaker- Born in Muskegon, Michigan.
        Tammy Faye Baaker- Born in International Falls, Minnesota.

        They’re Pentecostals, which surprise, surprise, trace back to the Dispensationalist and Millenial movements in the North and ultimately, you guessed it., The Puritans. So much for “Holy Rollers” being a part of authentic Southern piety and faith. They’re not. Any more than a BBQ pit in New Jersey serves real BBQ. Whatever Yankees don’t destroy, they subvert or expropriate for their own designs. Seeing Yankees express any sentiments of Faith is a laughable as it is strange and incongruous.

  • DarthJ

    Catholic here in Alabama. :D

    • Harold Crews

      Catholic here in North Carolina.

      • http://confederatepapist.blogspot.com/ Confederate Papist

        Catholic from Georgia now living in Florida.

  • Missouri10

    Dad’s side was Lutheran, mom was Baptist. My family and I are now reformed Baptist. I’d look out for the ELCA in Lutheran churches – there are some who are free of their nonsense though. But I wonder if Dispensationalism’s growth (and the societal defeatism it spawns) in the largely Baptist South was a result of despair over the tragedy wrought amongst our people. I believe our Creator has a plan in this of course – but I can understand the feelings and the desire for it all to end and the Lord to come and Judge the wicked.

    • Jim

      I dropped out of the ELCA because it started to push all kinds of Leftist nonsense. We do have Missouri Synod, here in Texas and they at least, object to abortion and worship of the death cult. My Dad was from Missouri, but both of my parents practiced a Lutheranism that went back to before the ELCA. Towards the end of their lives, they were put off by the ELCA’s leftist pusuits. I’m am convinced, after reading a bit, that Dispensationalism is another Yankee import. The ELCA has its’ roots in the far, Central North. Which might explain its’ left leaning proclivities. In the part of Texas I live in, most of the people are Catholic, Methodist and Lutheran, with a scattering of Presbytarians and Episcopalians. We have some Baptists, Menonites and Amish, as well. Personally, I was never exposed to Dispensationalism or Millenialism. I was taught that God works in his own, good time and but for his Grace,there go I.

    • Virginian Secessionist

      Agreed on the ELCA. As a Synod they might as well be called LINO (Lutheran in Name Only), although I admit there may be the occasional individual congregation among them that are not so far gone. LCMS is the largest conservative Lutheran Synod over here, though I, personally, am a member of the WELS.

      • Jim

        In the church I grew up in, I was in an odd situtaion, people wise. Our Pastor was a Texan from the South Texas German-Czech belt. The people, though, were mostly old, retired transplants from Minnesota and Wisonsin and other “Midwestern” places. As I neared graduation from high school, they all began to insist I move to Minnesota or someplace up North, because they were convinced that being a Texan or Southerner and being Lutheran were somehow incongruous. Why should I move to some foreign place that I have no connection to, or feeling for? The other thing that bugged me was the tomato soup that they insisted on calling chillie. The native Texan Lutherans, including the Pastor, however, were cool. All of my friends and I eventually dropped away from the Church. We just couldn’t take the pestering by old, Yankee busy bodies and their creeping leftism. This was back when pro-Texan, pro-Southern, Western and Confederate sentiments were running high and Political Correctness just didn’t exist. We’d never heard of it, anyway. I still like the Doxology and Liturgy of the Lutheran Church, though. But I’ve had enough of Yankee corrupted piety.

        • Virginian Secessionist

          I’ll agree with you on the Yankee corruption, bit. Fortunately, some of my professors in Minnesota have been doing a good job of training our future pastors (I almost became one, mind you). They are dispelling the Yankee myth of equality, and explaining (especially via I Corinthians) that “equality” as Americans understand it is not a Biblical principle. There is something to be said for men who are willing to place Biblical values above popular values.

          • Jim

            My Pastor trained at Augsburg College back in the 60’s. It’s little things like this, that make me refer to the Old Northwest as the soft North. Soft, because there may be some hope for them. They aren’t Hard core Yankees like Norteasterners. They can be brought around to our way of thinking. The Puritan ghost has to be exorcised. Historically, it was a mistake for the Virginia Colony Charter to give up the Old Northwest. But that was done to coax the hostile, reluctant New Englanders into the Union. Fear of King George drove it, so we can’t fault the Founders too much. Only a few of them could see the threat of New England to the peace, Liberty and security of America.

  • Michael

    I think it is a safe estimation to make that Southern nationalists are disproportionately ‘high church’ compared to the broader Southern population. This estimation is based not only on those who comment on SNN but also on my Facebook friends and those I have met at Southern nationalist events.

  • Judah Benjamin

    Jewish here in Virginia. Don’t know if I’m the only one now, but there were many of us back in the day.


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